The following was posted in the comment section of the previous posting.
The truth is out there some where!
Some good threads on here Oscar and sometimes you are spot on - saying the things I am thinking. Thanks mate. But let's set the record straight on this one. You are absolutely right in what you say and you put your name to it, hence ' you would not like to tackle some of the scum that are about late at night' and neither would I or 'Joe and Joan Public'. Neither should they have to, since I see this role of out of hours working as a Police matter where they are provided with trained resources, backup, safety wear and the necessary deterrents to tackle such situations. Turning up to those worse for wear, particularly a volatile Licensee and customers is not a job that I would want. On this particular issue, I could not disagree more with the comments by the anonymous writer 'FACT' since I have received a great deal of help and support from all of Phil Rafferty's team over the years, since the Licensing Act was transferred from the Magistrates to the Local Authorities (the wisdom of Parliament and the House of Lords). I really don't like to see personalised crap being posted since I know for sure that this person named does not drink even in his social life, since he has used my pub for the last twenty odd years, but he spends no money on alcoholic drink, he attends here alongside many who just enjoy the social aspects that go on in our ale house, so someone is certainly extracting the urine here. There is no way that this man would have turned up pissed in this way, so lets set it out as it is. No way at all. If this bloke was someone who liked alcoholic drinks, I would have retired early by now. Here ends this suggestion that this man was pissed. Let's look more closely at the writer of such an allegation. This officer would not accept alcohol if I gave it to him for free. I have never heard such a load of unbelievable bull shit. This thread is clearly porky pies to deflect from a problematic situation.Direct criticism where it is needed and not out of a man who is part of a hardworking team who I agree are run ragged with a 24 x 7 call out system, 365 days a year and all weathers. This team works both in the day and through the night, often on a 7 day a week shift pattern, long hours and often not knowing what challenge they face next, they are troopers who tread where many would not want to go. Yet the cover is always there and they have helped me no end to sort out any problems I have encountered. Attending at night, weekends and during office hours. Plus getting the raw end of criticism from the public. Through the wise wisdom of the Chief Constable, Police Station doors were closed and Community Beat Managers I believe were moved from their posts. Maybe we should be campaigning to get these reopened. Hence the exposure to our loyal Licensing Team to tackle the unbelievable problems through losing a vital link in the licensing chain and the police authority. I reiterate, I would not want to be out there on the streets having to face turning up to drunk and rowdy situations. During the transitional period all licensees within the area of Conwy county were invited to work with this team. I sat in all meetings and this team worked around the clock to fill in our forms, with excellent mediation when members of the public were objecting to the extension of licensing hours, working through raising awareness to help us to comply with the changes in the law. It has been a commendable service with good management and a committed team who have all done their best to carry out the delegated tasks. These duties are now covered by an exceptionally dedicated team.In the good old days, police officers would just turn up to public houses, those days have all gone. Pubs in the good old days were not nightclubs. Often ale houses are set in residential areas and the licensing department helped me to understand the change in the law and the four objectives and come on lads and lasses, we all have to conform to the law as set and I do this because it brings me a good living. I don't say I like it, but it is a case of earning an honest income. This licensing team is very approachable and as the previous writer has said 'loyal and dedicated' to helping where possible, but we all have to live within the regulations set by Government. You should be praising this team, they did not change the licensing laws, yet I believe this team may well have ''the worst job in the Council''. I would not want their job. As a licensee, I get rattled by legislation and keeping up with the changes in the law, but I am glad of this team since I learn much from the meetings I attend and this team are always at the end of the phone if I need them. Not many would want to be doing their job in the Licensing Department and they deserve better than the crap I have seen posted. I believe that many of the responsibilities they have been delegated with and which should have been left to the police, they have clearly been given the short straw and they are not paid enough for their challenges in comparison to other departments or professions. For sure, we all have times when we have a rowdy night in our establishments, I for one would not want the responsibility of sorting out my customers when they have had a skinful and when my neighbours start to ring in, I just sort it myself and after years of this work, it works well for me. I don't cost the local government money and I would not send in anonymous comments if I did. Talk about wasting council money and resources...Laws are made in Parliament Oscar, so let's not knock the poor sods who have to do all possible to carry them out!The licensing team is bound to be a target and many a time when I have had a visit, I have had a too many late at night and my judgment is impaired, we can change personality when we have had a skinful and in the light of day try to turn the blame onto anyone who is an easy target - cut the crap. Lets have fair play Oscar and direct our anger at the departments that don't earn their corn. There are plenty of them to which I am happy to add my honest opinion. To quote Oscar Wilde 'alcohol in sufficient quantities, produces all the effects of intoxication.' May I suggest you change the name of this thread to 'Sober as a Judge' please.
14 November 2007 11:44 Post a Comment